Internet Explorer 7 beta

Augix · Post by **Augix** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:00 pm

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/dow ... fault.mspx

and some addons here

http://www.ieaddons.com/default.aspx?cid=home&scid=0

I like the zoon feature and so far is even faster than firefox and very very picky with security so way superior compared with IE6

EvilHorace · Post by **EvilHorace** » Mon May 08, 2006 3:51 pm

I brought the subject up about a week ago in the SW forum and practically got my head bit off by all but one:

http://www.pcabusers.com/forums/showthr ... adid=43737

UberNeuman · Post by **UberNeuman** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:08 pm

Beta!?! I thought everything from Microsoft was beta!

GuardianAsher · Post by **GuardianAsher** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:14 pm

LOL!

aid:

renovation · Post by **renovation** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:44 pm

one thing i miss in Internet Explorer 7 beta .is the easy way it was to mail a link to a web site .like it was in Internet Explorer 6 .

MegaVectra · Post by **MegaVectra** » Mon May 08, 2006 7:58 pm

{{GASP}} I'm posting right now via IE 7.

All I have ever used is IE and have yet to have any of the problems that others have mentioned. Maybe its just cool to dog M$? And yet most of you use MS products.....hmmm Yes Augix, IE 7 seems to run a little faster, than v6 and Firefox.

nitro237 · Post by **nitro237** » Mon May 08, 2006 8:34 pm

I have tried firefox twice, just don't have the patience to get used to it. I like IE, guess I'll try IE 7.

Augix · Post by **Augix** » Mon May 08, 2006 9:29 pm

IE 7 is not that bad. Many people just use firefox cuz is cool to use it and go against the big wave, which is so funny since I don't care about that; however I did care that was more secure against webcrap but know... IE 7 is the same thing or similar.

If you know how to drive and you want to go from point A to point B, it does not matter if you use a ford or a mercedes or even if you take a bus

Jim Z · Post by **Jim Z** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:33 pm

my $0.02:

the interface is horrible. Why are the reload/stop buttons all the way on the other side of the address bar from the back/forward buttons? And why can't I move them?

the "classic menu" gets stuck in a stupid spot when it's enabled, and again it can't be moved.

The "Favorites Center" is aggravating. too much clicking to find a bookmark. What was wrong with a normal menu?

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Tue May 09, 2006 2:51 pm

Let me say there are two major reasons I use Firefox (and I've used it for nearly 3 years):

- Stability
- Security

Firefox doesn't support ActiveX and that's the number one security vulnerability in IE. When I was using IE full time I would disable ActiveX. 99% of all websites run just fine without ActiveX. Anyone who designs a decent site is smart enough to detect whether the browser uses activeX or not.

I know a lot of IT people who use IE with either ActiveX disabled or - even more extreme - the Internet Zone security set to High (which disables all ActiveX and Java, as well as javascript). Believe it or not, 99% of all websites are still viewable at this setting, and as a bonus you don't get annoying Flash ads. They use the Trusted Zone to enter websites they trust to load ActiveX or scripts.

I prefer to use Firefox, though, because it gives you more control. With FlashBlock installed I can block all Flash but by clicking a button that acts as a place holder for every flash object, I still have the option of running Flash SELECTIVELY. So when I go to a site with a video in a Flash player I can just play the video without also running all the annoying Flash ads.

Steve Gibson talked about this in his weekly Security Now! podcast that he does with TechTv's Leo Laporte last week when they talked about browser security. Gibson happens to use IE himself (he doesn't like Firefox) but he uses high security in the Internet zone (excellent podcast BTW: http://grc.com/securitynow.htm). He explains in detail how Microsoft went wrong with ActiveX in IE.

For ease of use I prefer to use Firefox as my primary browser and leave IE security set to normal so that if I have to go to a website that uses ActiveX to troubleshoot a problem for a client, I don't have to dick around with security settings.

As for stability, I've found IE6 to be a cranky app. Doesn't take much for a bad Java script on a website to crash it (then you wind up with dozens of copies of IE running in the background until you kill them all manually in task manager). Firefox is a bit more robust, although it too has issues. Firefox has a habit of crashing with some flash video players.

I've also found Firefox to be faster than IE6 (I haven't tried IE7). As an example try this very large animated GIF:

Firefox plays this GIF just fine. IE lags while playing it - it not only lags IE it lags the WHOLE Windows OS while it's running. On my P3 800 laptop it's particularly noticeable, but I even notice it on my high-end Athlon64 4000+ system. Firefox plays it at it's correct framerate, but IE can barely chug along. I noticed this because a friend of mine on Red-Eye LAN uses it as his sig.

Try it in Firefox after you view it in IE and see the difference. You can see it slowing down the page scrolling when it's running.

Yeah, I know, you guys would probably prefer the SLOW piroutte in IE anyway....

EvilHorace · Post by **EvilHorace** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:30 pm

Hmmmm, strange. Having both IE7 and Firefox opened at the same time, Firefox indeed wins with the speed of that gif. Now.....just to get her to fullscreen

IE7 comes with Active X controls disabled by default so apparently they've been listening.

Augix · Post by **Augix** » Tue May 09, 2006 5:38 pm

you are right! is faster in Firefox even your sign FP!

I will try once again to get used to firefox

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Tue May 09, 2006 6:07 pm

I had a little trouble with Firefox at first - it was mostly getting used to the way you sort and move bookmarks - it works different than IE's favorites. I admit IE handles that better, but once you get used to it, it's no big deal.

Do a search for my other thread where I list recommended Firefox extensions. There's an "IE View" extension that's handy. Let's you right click on the page, or on any link on the page, and it opens it in IE. Handy when doing web work.

If for some depraved reason you prefer to make Firefox look just like IE, go here: http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/firefo ... _explorer/

MegaVectra · Post by **MegaVectra** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:13 pm

Wow! FP you are absolutley right! I never even noticed. D@mnit now I gotta start using Firefox.

nitro237 · Post by **nitro237** » Tue May 09, 2006 7:51 pm

I've also found Firefox to be faster than IE6 (I haven't tried IE7). As an example try this very large animated GIF:

IE7 doesn't play it any better than IE6.

crap FP, I just got this IE7 installed and now you give me proof how much faster Firefox is. Now I am headed back to Firefox