Big Brother Is Watching!!!!

dadx2mj · Post by **dadx2mj** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 10:17 am

Ok the rental agency should have made their policies clear. To me they were monortoring the use of their car not the guy who rented it. When he parked the car and got out they were not following him.

Evilhorace a debet card may be accepted and backed by the bank the same as a credit card, but it is a far different ball game if you have to dispute charges. Chances are once they charge you debit card they have your money and you are not getting it back. With a credit card you can usually dispute charges and recover unauthorized charges.

EvilHorace · Post by **EvilHorace** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 10:21 am

You're wrong. I've already been there/done that with my 'trusty' debit card and (just like a credit card), they'll reverse charges. I'm no more responsible for false charges now than I was when I used credit cards (don't use them anymore at all). If I'm charged without my permission, bad goods, card # ripped off, etc, etc, my bank will not hold me responsible and I can get the charges reversed by the bank if the company who charged me won't do it themselves.
Last year I was notified that Egghead (computer parts) was hacked and they had my cards # in their records because I used it to buy something. Egghead notified all banks and my bank then changed my accounts card # (new card). Had that hacker used my cards #, I wouldn't have been responsible.
I've read that rumor about debit cards before but mine (being a Visa card) is handled/protected exactly like a credit card, just that the the money has to be im my account instead. I have no good reason to own a credit card now.

dadx2mj · Post by **dadx2mj** » Sun Jun 24, 2001 10:37 am

My debit card is a Visa as well and I had the same thing happen with the Egghead thing. But if a bad guy gets you card and takes money from your account are you telling me that the bank will eat the loss?

EvilHorace · Post by **EvilHorace** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 6:26 am

Yes, just as they would if it were a credit card by Visa (at least my bank does). The only difference is that there's never that much money in my checking account unless I put it there knowing I plan to use that card for a purchase. If anyone did get the # and the money wasn't there, it wouldn't be approved.

Lmandrake · Post by **Lmandrake** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 7:27 am

It will be interesting to see how the small claims case turns out.

This guy has no "right" to due process unless there is some clause in the rental agreement that gives it to him. You are only guaranteed due process (in the U.S. or any place that has a decent constitution) when the state tries to take something away from you. In the case of a contract between two private parties, the contract controls your rights, with the only exceptions being where the contract or portions of the contract violate public policy or existing laws.

This is why you should read and understand everything you sign. If a contract has terms you don't like or if the company has policies that offend you, get the rental car somewhere else.

I am sympathetic to this person, as he clearly got blindsided by this and screwed by the company, but as far as the court case is concerned, my money is on the rental company.....

Splitfire · Post by **Splitfire** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 11:32 am

OK Evil, here is something for you. One of the guys who lived across the hall from me my Junior year had to have been one of the sleeziest guys I have ever met. He was constantly breaking into my room (yes it was locked) to just take whatever he wanted. When you asked him about it, he would say he didn't do anything. One day I get a bank statement and notice no money in the account and several overdraft charges. I look at my statement and find that someone has taken my Debit (Visa Check) card and used it to get onto porn sites. I didn't have the money in my account to cover these charges because, obviously, I wasn't expecting them. After yelling at the "company" that charged my check card, they gave me the email address of who logged in (it matched the guy across the hall). They refunded the charges for the site, but my bank (Bank of America) refused to refund the overdraft charges. I have talked to many other national and local banks and they all said that they would not cover such charges. That's the "security" of check cards for you. Moral of the story: Check cards are NOT in ANY way, shape, or form as secure as credit cards. Now I realize that this is just MHO, but you only have to get burned once, know what I mean?

And as for <b>Rezillo</b>, please sit quietly and Montana and spout your antics to your fellow fanatics. Thank you.

Rezillo · Post by **Rezillo** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 12:38 pm

ok, its clear. We can agree, to disagree. One final point though. Invasion of privacy is not justified by anyone's stupidity.

Splitfire · Post by **Splitfire** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 4:27 pm

Want to explain why you should have any expectation of privacy driving 90mph down an open interstate highway??

bitSLAP · Post by **bitSLAP** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 5:27 pm

The town in Shrek comes to mind when reading this thread.

MK888 · Post by **MK888** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 11:11 pm

Dont forget that there are parts of this country that dont have speed limits.

Rezillo · Post by **Rezillo** » Mon Jun 25, 2001 11:52 pm

Splitfire, I would love to explain it to you, but before I can tell you so that you'll understand, first pull your head out of your a$$. Privacy is exactly what it sounds like. By definition it means "The state of being free from unsanctioned intrusion". Unsanctioned means "without your permission". Now as I said before, nobody was sticking up for the guy because he was an idiot and didn't read the contract, nobody was sticking up for the guy because he was speeding, nobody was sticking up for the guy cause he was putting peoples lives in danger. WE all agree on that. The fact still remains, that if you let people intrude on your life, without permission, it opens more doors for them to do more. Where do you draw the line? Is it really that hard to understand. Don't you realize this is a FREE country. Why would you want anyone, speacially a corperation (someone who doesn't care about you or anything other than money), want to know anything about your life. That is none of their buisness. That is taken away freedoms. Would you like everyone to know the things you buy? That already happens if you shop at some grocery stores. Such as "kash & Karry". Think about it. If you buy alot of beer, its now on their records. Now what if someone wants that info, like say your job. Maybe you got hurt on the job, they want to find anything they can incase you try to sue. You already know information is bought and sold, look at the internet What about parking meters, want cameras watching those? Don't tell me you have never had one expire even for a couple minutes. That would be $50 fine each time, no exceptions. And I'm sure you have been late atleast once or twice in your life, don't to tell me you never sped. Well thats ticket every time also, cause now every car is equipped with monitoring equiptment. your wife is in labor, too bad, should have called for ambulance. They may sound outlandish, but if you mearly sit down, and let them take your freedoms, it will happen. Each freedom is taking away slowly, one at a time. Its like building a prison, brick, by brick. Eventually you'll be surrounded by huge walls. Don't think it an happen? It can if you let it.

Splitfire · Post by **Splitfire** » Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:06 am

Boy you are the master of worst case scenarios, aren't you? Let me tell you something, if someone is watching my every move, then I don't have anything to worry about because they are dead from boredom by now. If you want to believe all the black helicopter and spy satelite nonsense, go ahead. If you want to waste away your life worried that someone is going to find out you buy a lot of beer, do it. If you REALLY have nothing better to do then sit around and worry about crap like this, by all means. I personally have more important things to take care of and worry about than weather or not the eyes in that painting just moved. And who is this "them" you keep referring to? You sound as if you are expecting people to be watching you. I don't care. You would have fit in great 50 or 100 years ago when corporations were actually at least fiscally capapable of conducting the survelliance you suggest. Its just not possible in this day and age and even if it were, do you really think that a secret that big could be kept for more than 30 seconds? The fact of the matter is that you are looking for things that aren't there. I really think you have read 1984 and the like one two many times. You know what? I T I S F I C T I O N ! That means its for entertainment. By definition it is a figment of someone's imagination, much like all these wild plots you suggest.

Rezillo · Post by **Rezillo** » Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:28 am

LOL, you crack me up. Ok, for you information, "they" is the governemt, and or any corperation. You must just be reading one or two lines out of what I reply. I thought I spelled it out pretty simple enough. I didn't say they were watching your every move. I'm not paranoid, alot of those things COULD happen. And I am sorry you are to stupid to care about your freedoms. Its sad that other people will do the work to make sure you enjoy your liberties and freedoms, and yet you will do nothing. Just let them take freedoms from us. Cause as you said "you don't care". Excuse me for caring about the place I live in. Nobody asked you to care, but some has too. ANd I'm gld we got to the root of this problem, I know not to agrue with you now, cause "you don't care", and that is your whole problem.

Splitfire · Post by **Splitfire** » Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:32 am

Yeah that's it. You've got me all figured out now.

Rezillo · Post by **Rezillo** » Tue Jun 26, 2001 12:41 am

What's with the sarcasm. Either you care or you don't, and you said you don't. One more thing. I was trying to let it go, so it wouldn't get this far when i said "ok, its clear. We can agree, to disagree. One final point though. Invasion of privacy is not justified by anyone's stupidity." I dunno why you egged me on.