Wash. considers annual flat fee for electric cars

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Wash. considers annual flat fee for electric cars

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By ROBIN HINDERY, The Associated Press – Fri Apr 22, 11:38 pm ET

OLYMPIA, Wash. – Drivers of electric cars may have left the gas pump behind, but there's one expense they may not be able to shake: paying to maintain the roads.

After years of urging residents to buy fuel-efficient cars and giving them tax breaks to do it, Washington state lawmakers are considering a measure to charge them a $100 annual fee — what would be the nation's first electric car fee.

State lawmakers grappling with a $5 billion deficit are facing declining gas tax revenue, which means less money to maintain or improve roads.

"Electric vehicles put just as much wear and tear on our roads as gas vehicles," said Democratic state Sen. Mary Margaret Haugen, the bill's lead sponsor. "This simply ensures that they contribute their fair share to the upkeep of our roads."

Other states are trying to find solutions to the same problem, as cars become more fuel-efficient and, now, don't use any gas at all.

In Oregon, lawmakers are considering a bill to charge drivers of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles based on the number of miles they drive. In Mississippi, lawmakers briefly considered a similar plan. In Texas, significant opposition scuttled an electric vehicle fee.

In Washington state, some electric car drivers and lawmakers are against the fee, saying they prefer paying based on how much they actually drive.

"The Legislature saw electric vehicles are coming and thought, why not just put a fee on them?" said Dean West, an electric vehicle owner who expects to receive a pre-ordered Leaf — Nissan's new, battery-powered sedan — this summer.

"I'm always in favor of a user fee," he said. "The more you use it, the more you pay."

Plug In America, a California-based electric car advocacy group, has come out against the proposed flat fee and has urged the state to consider one based on odometer readings that owners would self-report each year.

"Electric vehicle drivers certainly want to pay their fair share," said Jay Friedland, the group's legislative director. "The danger you get into is if you treat electric vehicles in some radically different way than you treat the rest."

Of course, such use-based fees could end up costing drivers more.

Washington's 37.5-cents-per-gallon fuel tax costs the average driver about $200 a year, transportation officials say. That's equivalent to driving roughly 12,000 miles in a vehicle that gets 23 mpg.

That tax is added onto the total gasoline purchase, and is not dependent on the price of gas.

Supporters say the electric vehicle fee would raise hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to support the state's public highway system.

In a report released last month, officials estimated that transportation revenues would decrease $25 million between the current biennium and the 2011-2013 budget period, largely due to dwindling gas tax collections.

That decline has coincided with improved vehicle mileage and a drop-off in revenues from the last major round of statewide tax increases, more than five years ago, leaving lawmakers scrambling for solutions, said Sen. Dan Swecker, one of the co-sponsors of proposed fee.

"So the question is how do you account for those trends and begin to capture revenue that reflects the actual usage of the road?" said the Republican lawmaker, who estimated he pays about $400 a year in gas taxes for his Toyota Camry. "Our state doesn't change very fast. But we thought the $100 fee was a place to start, so let's start there."

Tracy Woodard, Nissan Motor Co.'s director of government affairs for North America, said her company is neutral on electric surcharge legislation being considered in various states. She called for a larger discussion at the federal level of how to deal with reductions in gas tax revenues.

"Obviously, we don't like to see barriers put up to getting electric cars on the road," Woodard said. "But we understand people need to pay their fair share for using the roads."

An Oregon bill would charge drivers of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles up to 1.43 cents for each mile they drive, beginning with cars from the 2014 model year. It would cost about $172 per year for a car driven 12,000 miles — about the same as the gas tax paid for a vehicle that gets 21 mpg.

The measure is scheduled for its next committee vote Monday.

Use-based fees have generated their own debate.

The Texas Legislature recently put the brakes on an attempt to establish an electric vehicle mileage fee pilot program, after encountering significant opposition. The plan's backers said they hoped to try again in a couple of years.

Oregon previously experimented with using GPS devices to monitor and report the number of miles driven inside the state. Privacy advocates denounced it, fearing the government could use them to track drivers.

Mississippi lawmakers briefly considered an annual usage-based tax on electric vehicles, but the bill died in committee in February. The tax would have been equal to one-half cent per mile for the total miles traveled during the previous year, as indicated by the vehicle's odometer.

In Washington, Haugen said, she supports the idea of a use-based fee but thinks it's too logistically complex to undertake right now. Her bill would automatically expire if the state adopts such an approach in the future.

The bill's supporters acknowledge that it sends mixed signals on an emerging market that the state has tried to nurture. Washington currently waives the sales tax on electric vehicles, while the federal government provides an income tax credit of up to $7,500 to buyers.

Haugen and others say an electric vehicle fee is one of the few viable solutions to help offset lost gas tax revenues. In the 2010 fiscal year, there were just over 1,300 electric-powered vehicles registered with the Department of Licensing.

If passed, the bill would go into effect March 2012 and generate an estimated $376,000 in its first full year — a figure that's expected to rise as more drivers embrace the vehicles.

Members of both parties have criticized the bill, saying its projected revenues aren't enough to risk discouraging potential electric car buyers.

"I think we need to move aggressively and use any tools available to incentivize and support cleaner energy technologies in our transportation sector," Rep. Dave Upthegrove told fellow members of the House Transportation Committee at an April 14 hearing.

The bill has passed the state Senate but has not yet come up for a vote before the full House. Democratic Gov. Chris Gregoire, a staunch supporter of alternative energy, has not spoken publicly on the measure.

Discussion about the measure underscored a larger challenge, lawmakers said. How can lawmakers create a new system to maintain the transportation infrastructure that "makes more sense than what we have today?" Rep. Chris Reykdal asked.
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If you use them, you should help maintain them.. $100 a year doesn't seem like a bad deal to me.. Especially when you consider you're paying that in taxes every 2-3 tanks of gas..

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Anyone here know what it costs an electric car owner to charge the cars batteries, IE: watts hours-$$? I doubt it's a inexpensive as many might think.
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i wonder what the true life of the battery's is in real time use .were a person keeps recharging them before there fully discharged if done all the time.
is there life span the same as they be if you run them fully out of charge and recharge them only when total discharged.
also MPC is going to be in real time .right now I'm sure for the most part its just a calculated estimate. like mpg are in todays cars it figured by use on a controlled test track. how many people really get the mpg listed on the sticker when you by the car .
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You're already paying a tax through the electric utility (and those taxes are pretty hefty in most states). Charging a car is going to cost you more for electric and thus more for utility tax. Instead of hitting up people for more taxes who are doing something good for the environment, they should just take a few pennies of the electric tax and spend it on roads.

Politicians act as if owning an electric vehicle is some kind of free ride. It hardly is. A fast charger requires more power than your dryer (something like 2 phase 50amps I think). You have to pay to have the proper outlet and (in the case of most older or cheap homes with only minimal 100 amp 2 phase service) an upgraded panel and service line. You have to pay for the electricity and, eventually, pay for a replacement battery in 6 - 10 years.

Now I don't have a major problem with the battery because that's equivalent to having to rebuild the tranny in a regular car in the same time span. You have a car for more than 7 years you expect to get hit with a 2K+ repair bill for something sooner or later.

Right now, you have to really WANT to help the environment to be a first adopter electric car user, because they really aren't all that practical yet - not as long as gas is still (relatively) inexpensive. Gas is still heavily subsidized in this country. Just ask the Europeans or the Japanese.

I still think we have a long way to go just making gas engines more efficient (for instance see my post on lasers replacing spark plugs) before electric REALLY becomes practical and common place.
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I think battery replacements will far exceed $2K. Last I heard, replacement cost for a Prius Hybrid was about $3600 installed. I know that the warranty part (only) cost for a Lexus RX 400H hybrid is $5K, would be more when out of warranty.
The required charger for a Chevy Volt is $2K extra (not included for $50K) and if you figure charging costs and battery replacement in 10 yrs of ownership, how much $$ did you "save" by buying that vs almost any gas powered car? I'd bet that it's far cheaper to drive my older turbo Volvo's that get 18-23 mpg during that same period.
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FlyingPenguin wrote: Gas is still heavily subsidized in this country. Just ask the Europeans or the Japanese.
yup...gas is ~1.40/liter in the UK right now...at least where i was visiting.

1.40 x 3.785 = 5.299/gallon. 5.3GBP

5.3 x $1.65 = $8.7365/gallon. ;:

of course, they mainly use diesel...

http://www.petrolprices.com/search.html ... n%2C+Essex
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