Originally posted by theophilusmousse
fact... nobody can claim they saw firsthand exactly how "it" happened.
fact... however "it" happened, it was VERY long ago.
fact... creation requires faith to believe, it CANOT be empiracly (sp?) proven
fact... evolution requires faith to believe, it CANNOT be proven with the current "evidence"
fact... Charles Darwin believed he had disproven his own theory
fact... it was Darwins assistant who held on to the theory after Darwin considered it to be disproven.
Sorry, but the only people who claim that evolution is unproven are those who completely ignore the facts and science surrounding it.
As explained by R.C. Lewontin:
"It is time for students of the evolutionary process, especially those who have been misquoted and used by the creationists, to state clearly that evolution is a fact, not theory, and that what is at issue within biology are questions of details of the process and the relative importance of different mechanisms of evolution. It is a fact that the earth with liquid water, is more than 3.6 billion years old. It is a fact that cellular life has been around for at least half of that period and that organized multicellular life is at least 800 million years old. It is a fact that major life forms now on earth were not at all represented in the past. There were no birds or mammals 250 million years ago. It is a fact that major life forms of the past are no longer living. There used to be dinosaurs and Pithecanthropus, and there are none now. It is a fact that all living forms come from previous living forms. Therefore, all present forms of life arose from ancestral forms that were different. Birds arose from nonbirds and humans from nonhumans. No person who pretends to any understanding of the natural world can deny these facts any more than she or he can deny that the earth is round, rotates on its axis, and revolves around the sun. The controversies about evolution lie in the realm of the relative importance of various forces in molding evolution. "
Originally posted by TheSovereign
I find that most contempt for the idea of God comes from the fact that people dont like to be told their behaviour is incorrect. in todays age everyone is all for the "if it feels good, do it" kinda style of thinking and if theirs a God that style of thinking doesnt apply because it may conflict with "God's" outlook. That cant happen cuz im too selfish to wanna do was some mythical being wants id rather pretend he doesnt exist so i can do whatever i want
Ah, the old 'If you don't believe in God then you have no morals' argument. Does morality come from God, or humans? Arguably, it comes from both. God has his idea of morality, and we have ours. God's idea of morality revolves around his own aggrandizement: any crime we commit against one another is insignificant next to the huge burning issue of whether we sincerely worship him, and he demonstrated this scheme of "morality" by repeatedly ordering his "chosen people" to murder followers of other religions (even their women and children) all throughout the Old Testament. Even Jesus subscribed to that notion, by instructing his followers to "hate" those who belong to other religions. The human idea of morality, on the other hand, generally revolves around human happiness and suffering: most of us understand that it is immoral to take actions which will increase the amount of suffering and misery in this world or decrease the amount of pleasure and happiness. Your religious beliefs are your own business, but you can't use those beliefs to justify actions which cause pain and suffering to other human beings.
Which scheme of morality is superior? The former led to the Catholic crusades and inquisitions, the witch hunts, the original Israelite holy wars described in the Old Testament, the annihilation of natives and their culture in the Americas, the horrors of African subjugation and slavery, and Hitler's Holocaust. The latter has led to ... actually, I have yet to see anyone explain what harm has come from the latter. So if you subscribe to the former, you are not exactly in good company. If you subscribe to the latter, you have a fighting chance of understanding the difference between right and wrong. The choice is yours.
Originally posted by UberNeuman
Silly, rogue - don't waste time bickering with a fundie... Fundies always sidestep, no matter what when clear flaws in their "logic" are pointed out to them....
Indeed...I find this either downright hilarious or rather frightening, considering our own prez believes the same.
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