new independ report says the global average temps were doctored compared to raw data.

TheSovereign · Post by **TheSovereign** » Wed Dec 09, 2009 5:58 pm

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/t ... rwin-zero/

Let me start with the second objection first. The earth has generally been warming since the Little Ice Age, around 1650. There is general agreement that the earth has warmed since then. See e.g. Akasofu . Climategate doesn’t affect that.

The second question, the integrity of the data, is different. People say “Yes, they destroyed emails, and hid from Freedom of information Acts, and messed with proxies, and fought to keep other scientists’ papers out of the journals … but that doesn’t affect the data, the data is still good.” Which sounds reasonable.

There are three main global temperature datasets. One is at the CRU, Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, where we’ve been trying to get access to the raw numbers. One is at NOAA/GHCN, the Global Historical Climate Network. The final one is at NASA/GISS, the Goddard Institute for Space Studies. The three groups take raw data, and they “homogenize” it to remove things like when a station was moved to a warmer location and there’s a 2C jump in the temperature. The three global temperature records are usually called CRU, GISS, and GHCN. Both GISS and CRU, however, get almost all of their raw data from GHCN. All three produce very similar global historical temperature records from the raw data.

Post by **FlyingPenguin** » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:32 am

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD9CHPLC00

TheSovereign · Post by **TheSovereign** » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:50 pm

http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysi ... ?id=515430

Global Warming: Drip by drip, like a glacier melting in the sun, the claim that man is changing the climate is dissolving into irrelevance. The recent findings of Swiss researchers expose another hole.

Former Vice President Al Gore has for years warned that man-made global warming is melting the world's glaciers — a tactic commonly used by alarmists who want to whip up hysteria. Swiss researchers, however, have presented evidence that weakens the argument.

Scientists at Zurich's Federal Institute of Technology have found that solar activity caused Alpine glaciers to melt in the 1940s at rates faster than today's pace, even though it's warmer now.

gotta love that scientific consensus.

TheSovereign · Post by **TheSovereign** » Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:47 pm

Executioner · Post by **Executioner** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 1:59 pm

http://www.mikechurch.com/joomla/kingdu ... pt.-i.html

1. The Planet goes through natural warming and cooling cycles.

2. The mathematics for 0.045% of the Atmosphere- carbon dioxide - being able to cause such a catastrophe do not compute.

3. Our Sun is the Primary Driver of our Weather and Climate.

4. We are either entering or on the precipe of entering the Next Ice Age.

5. We are as much a part of nature as Polar Bears are so it is natural and correct to assume that the by-products of our existence, using the resources of the Earth, are as natural as Polar Bear poo made from similar resources is.