Did I injure the CPU or the motherboard???

aKy1700+ · Post by **aKy1700+** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 3:33 pm

Originally posted by JustCallMeCrash
I actually just said something to you in a PM about clearing the CMOS (before i read the last three or four posts) and I think that it very well COULD be your CPU... it could be a million factors, but the CPU sounds like the most likely.. I fried one with the Volcano 7+ (kinda pretty actually.. shot out a neat little blue flame) and that was RIGHT after I got the new k7v333.. now I run a Koolance liquid coolded case and I LOVE it... the system idles at about 27C (in the 80s F) and when it gets hot (bascially ONLY because the room gets really hot... sun beats right down on it) it'll get up to 34C (94F)... that's still 20F cooler than my Thermaltake ever kept it. Anyway, enough rambling, what you can do is call the mobo manufaturer, they'll help walk you through some steps to see what the problem might be. Best of luck bro

How did you fry your CPU, forgot to mount fan??? Anyway, I have NOT fried my CPU...

blade · Post by **blade** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:24 pm

It does sound like the cpu.

Are there any cracks on it, like on the edges? Even with moving the heatsink around sometimes that could crush the cpu core and/or cause fine cracks. I have 2 xp cpu's with fine cracks but they still work. Though I did crush the core of a 1.4 tbird when first putting on a sk6.

I'd remove it and install it again, up to a few more times just to be sure. If still no go then you might want to test it on a friends system to be positive it is the cpu.

If you have a camera then take a close up pic of it and post it here.

Good luck

aKy1700+ · Post by **aKy1700+** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:47 pm

Maybe I did a huge mistake installing without the following pads?!
And no I have not an opportunity of testing my CPU on another system...

blade · Post by **blade** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:58 pm

I have an sk7 on another system and I didn't use the pads. They are most necessary on the SLK800/600 because if the bottom being thinner.

But, heavy sinks like the SK7 need to be applied flat on the raised cpu core, at an angle can cause cracks. And sometimes movement on the cpu can crush these tender cores, that's where those aditional pads can help some. I do wish they made the cpu core stronger. But cpu makers know that makes us buy more.

If you've tried all you can and have no one locally to test it for you, then you can send it to me for testing if you wish.

I'd still try removing it, then installing it again. Try that 2-3 times. I've had some stubborn cpu's that took reinstalling to work, for some reason.

aKy1700+ · Post by **aKy1700+** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:42 pm

Originally posted by blade
I have an sk7 on another system and I didn't use the pads. They are most necessary on the SLK800/600 because if the bottom being thinner.

But, heavy sinks like the SK7 need to be applied flat on the raised cpu core, at an angle can cause cracks. And sometimes movement on the cpu can crush these tender cores, that's where those aditional pads can help some. I do wish they made the cpu core stronger. But cpu makers know that makes us buy more.

If you've tried all you can and have no one locally to test it for you, then you can send it to me for testing if you wish.

I'd still try removing it, then installing it again. Try that 2-3 times. I've had some stubborn cpu's that took reinstalling to work, for some reason.

When you had to re-install your heatsink several times to make it work, how was your system?
I mean how did you tell the CPU didn't work, same symptom I have? No screen, no further loading...?
By re-installing, helps? I mean a cracked core is a cracked core, can't be un-done with installing other ways.

blade · Post by **blade** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:07 pm

Similar symptems.

I knew the cpu worked and was just changing it when testing heatsinks. Perhaps it wasn't making full contact with the pins when I installed it. It happens.

Try it an see, it isn't much trouble.

But if yours does have cracks and/or a crushed core it may not matter. Though you want to be positive before trashing it. And like I said, if it comes to that point just send it to one if us for testing. If it's good we'll send it back to you of course.

aKy1700+ · Post by **aKy1700+** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:22 pm

Originally posted by blade
Similar symptems.

I knew the cpu worked and was just changing it when testing heatsinks. Perhaps it wasn't making full contact with the pins when I installed it. It happens.

Try it an see, it isn't much trouble.

But if yours does have cracks and/or a crushed core it may not matter. Though you want to be positive before trashing it. And like I said, if it comes to that point just send it to one if us for testing. If it's good we'll send it back to you of course.

I'm from Sweden, you're in USA or UK? Costs too much, and btw I wan't to fix my comp. asap...
Now I consider buying a cheaper CPU for now, and maybe buy another one later... I saw a Athlon CPU, but it was slot-a, not same as Socket-A??? Fells bad I have to buy a new cpu, I've re-installed it+HS before several times, not witht eh NEW mainboard though but that should'nt matter. I read somewhere on this forum that the crack on a CPU could be internal, i eman invisible to see on the surface core.

Also installing th heatsink several times requires me o insert, eject, insert, eject.. my mainboard lots of times, pain in the a's's...

I know the CPU is making contact with the HS because when I remove the heatsink I can see the thermal paste print of the athlon xp core... the SK-7 has a large bottom so the it should not matter if I put the HS a little more forward, bacuse it will anyway reach over the top-socket ledge and the cpu will make contact...
But hey, an unlogical thing I have thought of:
really, how can 'unproper' (it touches the cpu anyway!) heatsink installment make the cpu not running???

blade · Post by **blade** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:41 pm

Yep, I live in the U.S. That would be too expensive.

slot a is not the same as socket a, it won't fit.

has a large bottom so the it should not matter if I put the HS a little more forward, bacuse it will anyway reach over the top-socket ledge and the cpu will make contact...

Are you saying you did that? The heatsink must <b>not</b> be that far forward. If on that plastic edge the cpu will not fully contact the heatsink and this could burn out the cpu. Sounds like that may be your problem.

matt719 · Post by **matt719** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:51 pm

I had a very large response typed out, but some gay ass button on my logitech wireless mouse sent me back a page and it was all lost, so here is a summary:

http://www.shortcircut.org/~mattb/pictu ... %20163.jpg

That still works.

Koolance is a waste of money, i made my own from home depot, swiftech block, and a fish tank pump for under $150 that idles @ 25C (room temp = 24C) and full load is 30C.

matt719 · Post by **matt719** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 10:56 pm

But hey, an unlogical thing I have thought of: really, how can 'unproper' (it touches the cpu anyway!) heatsink installment make the cpu not running???

I have an experiement you can try. Go rip of your heatsink and fan off of another modern computer. Tell me what happens; it is the same thing as if your heatsink isn't on right

P.S. I take no responsiblity if you actually take of a heatsink.

matt719 · Post by **matt719** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:02 pm

Wait! I just re-read your original post... the power saving logo is on? I dunno about you, but the only time that logo comes on is when my monitor isn't plugged into the video card (or the video card is messed). Perhaps it is jsut because i most likely have a different monitor than you, a 19" Sony HMD-A440, but you might look into your monitor cable or something, or perhaps your video card. Try a different monitor before you go out and spend money on a new CPU. I'm probably wrong, but when my monitor is plugged into a computer with juice running through it, it always has a plain black screen.

aKy1700+ · Post by **aKy1700+** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:21 am

Originally posted by matt719

I have an experiement you can try. Go rip of your heatsink and fan off of another modern computer. Tell me what happens; it is the same thing as if your heatsink isn't on right

P.S. I take no responsiblity if you actually take of a heatsink.

I don't think there's any prob. with my video card because it worked before the installation and I have'nt touched it. Anyway, even though the monitor cable is a little wrong, should'nt the HDD's boot up??? And even no kboard, mouse...

matt719 · Post by **matt719** » Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:16 pm

The HDD's start up, along with the fans... But no screen (power saving mode logo)

So the story has changed...

FMZ · Post by **FMZ** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:26 am

sometimes when the cpu goes bad or video card isn't all the way in the AGP slot, the power saving mode comes on

aKy1700+ · Post by **aKy1700+** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:24 am

Originally posted by matt719

So the story has changed...

Has it?